You guys may think Im nuts. Thats fine.
Has anyone else seen 'visions'.
Screaming faces/Shadow people/Demons/Wolves (Bad)
Doves/domesticated animals/robed feet (Good)
Their name being spoken to them when no one is around or awake (usually at night)
Feel a tingling sensation on the back of their head when demons appear.
Get the strong urge to walk with no shoes on in the dirt and feel at peace (Later did I find out that God commanded Moses to take is shoes off)
Be driven to your face in the carpet in tears and sobs during prayer?
That aren't really there. I know my walk is a bit 'different' (everyone's is really)
Im a very new christian of 6 months. And all of these things started happening the week I got saved. And still happen. I know a lot of these things are 'taboo' and not spoken about in church.
Just wondering if anyone's experienced any of this..
Hope this is the right place to post this at..
1 John 4:1-3
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Thanks for the scripture. But I was looking for a discussion on this.
Also God sends things our way to increase our faith in him.
That is part of the discussion, it instructs us on how to deal w/ those encounters.
I've heard my name and been led by the spirit at times, but it's never been audible thru my ears, it's more of mind or heartfelt thang. The only audible thru my ears encounter was an evil one listening to some kind of deathmetal or whatever it was, not sure, it was weird. Mind you I wasn't listening to it for recreation, more out of curiosity, and we know what that does.
But don't take those scriptures lightly they're helpful and can prevent a lot of misunderstanding that could lead to you or someone getting hurt. I'd also be excited about it-
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
I used to listen to deathmetal when I was fallen. I recently turned it on again to see what I felt with it. I just felt a big giant emptiness and no spirit or anything in it.
Hearing my name being called is audible though I doubt anyone else would hear it if they were around.
I am excited about this but its also scary at the same time.
The thing is I dont have to ask if a spirit is of god I feel it. (That and its pretty scary.. to try to converse with them..)
And I do not take the scripture lightly. Just wanted to open discussion about these things that most people think dont exist with god. We dont believe we cant see visions or anything in todays church.
I take it as different from audible, I hear Him but not as if it's coming through my ears/eardrums, more of a mind and knowing, idk it's different sort of hard to explain. In regards to being afraid or it being scary, that's a good "tell" into what you're dealing with. Because of, how did all the Messengers in the bible intro themselves?:
Acts 18:9: 8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized. 9 Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace: 10 For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city.
Matthew 28:4-6: 4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. 5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. 6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
Luke 1:12-14: 12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. 13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. 14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
Luke 1:29-31: 29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
Luke 2:9-11: 9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. 10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. 11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Acts 27:23-25: 23 For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve, 24 Saying, Fear not, Paul; thou must be brought before Caesar: and, lo, God hath given thee all them that sail with thee. 25 Wherefore, sirs, be of good cheer: for I believe God, that it shall be even as it was told me.
So if they're talking to you and they don't start off w/ "Be Not Afraid", or "Fear Not", or something to that effect. I'd say you're in bad company and should tell them to go where the Holy Spirit commands them.
The thing is I know without a doubt where these things are coming from. The Holy Spirit guides me in all things. I know what comes from the Prince of This World. I cant tell you how I know the difference from these things but I do.
I do continue to pray, study my bible, and spend a lot of time in worship. And most important I do what I can to obey the Lord.
Maybe its different hearing it than living it.
What you experience Jolene is more common than you think, It's just you have to know which Christians to talk to. I've been through a number of demonic experiences as well as Godly spiritual experiences since i was a very young kid. Before i even gave myself to Christ I had gone through some spiritual things that I thought wasn't normal. Even after i became a believer over 10 years ago I searched for answers and believers who could relate. I didn't find any until years later when God brought to me a mentor and a church where people experience that stuff. And soon I met other believers and so on. Some say it's has to do with prophetic gifting or just being sensitive to the spiritual world. The truth is some folks are "gifted" and sensitive to the supernatural before they come to Christ, while others become more sensitive after they come to Christ. I was sensitive at an early age, my wife became sensitive in her twenties after she became a believer. She was attacked by demons often and she saw a vision of Jesus back then. Don't forget we have authority over demons. We can use the name of Jesus to drive them away. I know this by many experiences. Here's a link to some teacing about it http://www.awmi.net/extra/audio/1045
Here are some links to sites where you could get more info. The first four are ministries of believers who walk in the prophetic and see visions and so on. The next link is my old church where you can find different ministries and people there to search. The last link and the most important is a ministry that will help balance the supernatural with the word of God. Even though the revelations that Andrew Wommack gets from the Holy Spirit is amazing and intense at times. The truth is you need to balance what you are experiencing, because some believers can go to the extreme with the supernatural and ignore what the scriptures says. They will put their identity with the gifting and not in Jesus Christ. And of course love is most important. I've met too many"spiritual" believers whose heads are in the clouds. I figure you may have a better understanding than I did. And if people don't believe you or critisize you, give them grace, don't take it personal. You sometimes have to meet people where they are . I'm not trying to preach, but just saying I can relate. If you want more info on anything, my wife can contact you.
2 Corinthians 4:4-6
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
What you're saying is wrong, the whole idea that some person has some sort of knowledge and go to them to learn about it is so occultish. ooh secret understanding of spiritual talk, listen to this minister invest money in this congregation. Never mind a personal relationship w/ Christ. Christianities about us being the lesser and Christ thru the Holy Spirit being the Greater shining thru us. So it's not our knowing it's Yahweh's. We're just vessel's for Him to work thru, not be greater than anyone else, but servants of everyone else.
Alika - who are you referring to? Mel? Or someone else?
Regarding your comment: "What you're saying is wrong, the whole idea that some person has some sort of knowledge and go to them to learn about it is so occultish"
I have to disagree with that statement: If a person has gone through the experience and has understanding on how to deal with something why not let that person help someone else who might be going through a similar situation? I mean, if I was dealing with some sort of demonic thing, and I met someone else who has already dealt with it or something similar, I would be more than happy to hear how they dealt with the problem if I haven't been getting results.
Though, yes, I do understand the point you're making about our relationship with Christ.
I DO agree that Jesus and his gift of salvation and his relationship is FREE, FREE, FREE - so yes, run away from people who ask for money for deliverance and healing or even for "knowledge in the word". But if someone has tools to help in protection and deliverance, and they are sound in the Bible, then considering their information might be of use.
But yes, most important is our DIRECT relationship with Yeshua.
Jolene, you are not alone in these experiences. Read John 14, Mark 16*, and Luke 10:19: "Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and OVER ALL the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you."
Jesus has given you AUTHORITY. PERIOD. Accept it. Believe it. Know it. ACT ON IT.
Also, if you haven't been taught the Full armor of God Read Ephesians 6:10-18 and then pray this over yourself every morning and evening. It can go something like:
Jesus, I take your full armor and place it upon myself: Upon my head the Helmet of salvation, upon my chest the breastplate of righteousness. I gird my loins with the belt of Truth. In my left arm I take the Shield of Faith, which extinguishes the fiery darts of the enemy, in my right hand is the Sword of the Spirit, Which is the WORD of the LORD, and upon my feet the Gospel of Peace. This armor is my protection, and my battle gear...etc. etc. (personalize accordingly.)
You can also pray prayers of protection around you, around your room, home etc., and request angels come and protect you.
1. ASK and you shall receive, seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened unto you.
2. Whatsoever you ask in my name (Jesus' Name) you shall receive. (So if that's protection, ask, slaughter of the demons around you - ask, anything else regarding this situation - need peace? guidance, wisdom, other?) (Read James to understand a little more of what you should be asking for and why).
Some other things that can help:
1. Get rid of anything and everything that might be detrimental. If there is a question ask Jesus what you should do with it.
2. Find a Spirit-filled woman (or a few) to help. Again ASK and the Lord will either lead them to you, or you to them. But make sure they can be trusted.
Jolene, I'm going to give you this encouragement - since you are a new Christian, TAKE THE BIBLE AT FACE VALUE. Don't be like the lukewarm bench warmers. Don't let some of the moldy-oldies water you down. Of course, use your head please, discern and test the spirits, and constantly talk to Jesus, Holy Spirit and the Father accordingly.
When Jesus says: "You will do greater works than me". BELIEVE IT. DO IT. And that includes casting out demons.
*Mark 16 talks about handling snakes and drinking poison - DO NOT DO THIS AS A TEST. Or for fun "to see if this works". This is more talking about situations that you might end up in - such as Paul in Acts 28 gets bitten by a viper but doesn't die, or like the missionary story I read where a group of missionaries went to a town to minister, and they get fed the strongest poison that the towns' folk have...but they don't die...so like I said, use your head.
Hope this is of some encouragement.
Another website that might be of help:
And watch this video (part 2 is wild): http://theministryofsalvation.net/ministryresources/test-3/
Most definitely see if you can find a Spirit-filled lady or three to help out.
There's been a lot of words, and a lot of back-and-forth on this, but I'd like to add my two cents as succinctly as possible...
I've had some odd spiritual incidents and manifestations in my life. The spiritual realm is a reality, and once in a while the Lord pulls back the curtain and allows us a glimpse. But regardless of the specifics, and the details it all boils down to this very simple principle-
"Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you." (James 4:7-8)
Resist the devil. Do not be drawn in by visions, voices, or any such non-sense. Do not investigate. Pay them no mind. Yes, acknowledge that the devil exists, but give him none of your time and effort.
(In "The Screwtape Letters" CS Lewis writes that there are two ways men can fall to demons- the first is to have an unhealthy interest in them, and the second is to completely disbelieve in their existence. I think that's true.)
Draw near to God. Pray. Read His word. Walk in His creation. Fellowship with His people. Be encouraged. Saturate your life with Him.
That's it, simple, as most spiritual things are.
Only one thing rids the world of shadows, and that is Light.
Great post Steve!