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I have seen alot of christians seen to hate or think being gay is sinful but why? if two people is in love and happy isn't that a good thing why look down on them? so their different  so was Jesus ,  no one really knows for sure if God made the bible since back then there wasn't pens or paper  and pretty sure there wasn't iphones :p yet people put so much trust in it even if he did made it at the end of the day its still just a book nothing more and you shouldn't let a book make you hate or look down on someone who is different also  if we go by the bible it says ( For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life ) see  whoever meaning it can be a gay person too so please try and be more open minded & more love 

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The Bible does not say anything about hating homosexuals. The Word says that God finds the act of homosexuality to be an abomination:there is a big difference there that Satan does not want us to see. It's because of his love that he does not want us to act out in any sexual immoral behavior. But nothing is written that we should hate homosexuals at all.

The reason why God hates homosexuality is because it limits a person down to a sexual opposition. We define ourselves by a sensation that could be misleading from innocence to lust; mistaking love for our brothers and sisters for physical desire... and that leaves us vulnerable to the Enemy and to harm to ourselves and others.

I used to think the Bible was written by man and God meant something different than I had read. I found out that I was both right and wrong (wow the confusion!). Satan was twisting the context of the words I read and helped push me down so I would not read further or do proper investigation to my questions. That's why there had to be Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I encourage you to research the Word for yourself or look it up on got questions.org.

God bless ya!

how does being gay  limits a person ? and why can't gay be  innocence love is love and straight people lust and straight people can hurt their lovers  so whats the different?

wretchlikeme said:

The Bible does not say anything about hating homosexuals. The Word says that God finds the act of homosexuality to be an abomination:there is a big difference there that Satan does not want us to see. It's because of his love that he does not want us to act out in any sexual immoral behavior. But nothing is written that we should hate homosexuals at all.

The reason why God hates homosexuality is because it limits a person down to a sexual opposition. We define ourselves by a sensation that could be misleading from innocence to lust; mistaking love for our brothers and sisters for physical desire... and that leaves us vulnerable to the Enemy and to harm to ourselves and others.

I used to think the Bible was written by man and God meant something different than I had read. I found out that I was both right and wrong (wow the confusion!). Satan was twisting the context of the words I read and helped push me down so I would not read further or do proper investigation to my questions. That's why there had to be Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I encourage you to research the Word for yourself or look it up on got questions.org.

God bless ya!
Saying that one is homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual, etc. can be narrowing oneself down to a category. There are many reasons why God has a problem with us defining ourselves to a category by sexual preference when there is so much more that he sees in us and to our character than sexuality. That goes for heterosexual relationships as well. We define ourselves by sex and sexual preferences.

That's my opinion, but don't take that as Biblical doctrine.;)

But the Bible also states God's hate for gluttony, thievery, lying, murder, etc. We all have done something against him, but we've been forgiven through Christ and have been made new. The problem comes in that if we are prideful of these matters and uphold them.

I agree that there are many Christian groups who have ignored the Word and have attacked the homosexual community. The Word especially speaks heavily against people who do such acts.God does not approve of homosexuality because there are physical problems to it like any sexual immorality in nature, but he hates worse those who throw stones. Christians who act out according to hate are not following the principles of the Word or reflecting God's desire and they are following the Enemy. Though we are called to stand firm on his principles, that also calls us to love and not judge one another on our own accord.

As for me, I do not intent to sound like a hater or anything. It is only through God that I could truly love anything at all. :) God loves all of us, but he does not approve of the things that could harm us: that goes for many things than just homosexuality.

Physical practice for same-sex intercourse is, by nature, physically unnatural and could cause harm... the same goes for any unnatural sexual intercourse practice for a heterosexual union. But it's certainly not out of hate that the Word speaks against the act of homosexuality.


Well put.
wretchlikeme said:

Saying that one is homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual, etc. can be narrowing oneself down to a category. There are many reasons why God has a problem with us defining ourselves to a category by sexual preference when there is so much more that he sees in us and to our character than sexuality. That goes for heterosexual relationships as well. We define ourselves by sex and sexual preferences.

(Old Testament verses)

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.   And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.  Leviticus 20:13,14

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.  Deuteronomy 22:5

(New Testament verses )

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:  because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:  who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:  and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.  And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:  who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.  Romans 1:18-32

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind..  1 Corinthians 6:9

Romans 3:23-26 ESV

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
";)


Nice Scripture quotes there from both Old Test and New Test, bro.




Calvary Comics said:

(Old Testament verses)

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.   And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.  Leviticus 20:13,14

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.  Deuteronomy 22:5

(New Testament verses )

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:  because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:  who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:  and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.  And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:  who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.  Romans 1:18-32

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind..  1 Corinthians 6:9

Thank you.  I thought you answered well, but wanted to let Rosetta see some specific Bible verses on the topic.  Notice how in Leviticus the verse dealing with homosexuality is followed by a verse on bestiality.  I believe that sexual sin is a progressively downward spiral with no bottom.  Over the past century we've seen western civilization turn away from God's will for monogamous marriage between a man and a woman.  Instead, for decades society has winked at pre- and extra-marital sex between a man and a woman.  The Bible calls this fornication, and 1 Corinthians 6:9 (quoted in my prior post) says that fornicators will not inherit the kingdom of God---that is, they will not go to heaven, but to hell

"Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body." 1 Corinthians 6:18.  It is interesting that there is a distinction among sins---that sexual sins literally get under your skin, and not just in the form of STDs.  It is one of the devil's favorite enticements for fallen mankind, to further separate them from experiencing the loving presence of God, for He cannot look upon sin (Habakkuk 1:13a).  We have a whole society that is blinded to the will of God, and the Word indeed appears to them as foolishness (1 Corinthians 1:18), just as Lot's warnings appeared as foolishness to his sons-in-law when he was surrounded by a society of homosexuals who wanted to rape some visiting angels who were sent to judge Sodom and Gomorrah and to take Lot and his wife and daughters out of there (Genesis 19:1-29).  This is a prototype of the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18), and history is about to repeat itself. 

Knowing Jesus Christ personally as Lord and Saviour, knowing His love firsthand by the indwelling power and presence of the Holy Spirit, is the kind of life that God would have everyone enjoy---and joy is the right word!  There is no greater pleasure than to be in right relationship with God, to know that your sins are forgiven and blotted out, and that there is no commandment that He gives to His children that He does not also give the power to fulfill by the Holy Spirit---to His praise and glory, because, as you shared earlier, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.  I write this for anyone who happens to be reading, especially those who do not know God personally---because they can, and it doesn't take twelve steps or any magic formula---just one step:  in humility and with an open heart to receive His glorious gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.  God will do the rest!     

Nicely put. I do hate how it comes off to our modern culture the rules from the Bible, as it sounds very crude and judgemental from a humanistic standpoint. "Why follow a God that tells me I'm wrong but you're right?" "Why worship a God who tells me that love is wrong?" This is how powerful the Enemy has become.

How can you describe to someone the undeniable love that flows from this King? That what we confuse with "love" is actually brotherhood defiled by freshly temptation--instigated by an unseen Foe--which leads us to an self-hating existence? That sounds very hypocritical and unjust spoken by an equally flawed and sinful human. Then that leads one to imagine that this God is either man-like or man-made.

But there is something here. While He is a parent and does NOT approve, nor allow, a lot of things we think are customary, he had to step down from Heaven to get some things straight as Jesus. He doesn't want to spoil our good time; he wants to show us what good truly means!

Satan adores switching the role on us by placing blame on us. He, in fact, receives replenishment every time sin has us believing we have no worth. He gains whenever I read: "Whoa, God hates me because I eat too many pecan sandies" or "God hates me because I don't say his name often enough" or "I'm going to a place with a horned guy who rebelled against this God because he was, like me,... 'different?'" This would push anyone into depression and rage!

But you won't find the answer in one scripture. That's why he calls himself the Living God. Its deeper than the Enemy wants us to know. You cannot accept Christ without accepting the whole Word or God (same visa versa), As Christ said that he came to fulfill it and not change it. He knows we aren't perfect nor does he need us to be. He does want us to confess our sins that we may be able to accept him.

But how can you help someone to see the invisible? I laugh at myself while I say "you can't." God is a passionate god and he works individually. It comes down to that good ol' fashion faith. ;)




Calvary Comics said:

Thank you.  I thought you answered well, but wanted to let Rosetta see some specific Bible verses on the topic.  Notice how in Leviticus the verse dealing with homosexuality is followed by a verse on bestiality.  I believe that sexual sin is a progressively downward spiral with no bottom.  Over the past century we've seen western civilization turn away from God's will for monogamous marriage between a man and a woman.  Instead, for decades society has winked at pre- and extra-marital sex between a man and a woman.  The Bible calls this fornication, and 1 Corinthians 6:9 (quoted in my prior post) says that fornicators will not inherit the kingdom of God---that is, they will not go to heaven, but to hell

"Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body." 1 Corinthians 6:18.  It is interesting that there is a distinction among sins---that sexual sins literally get under your skin, and not just in the form of STDs.  It is one of the devil's favorite enticements for fallen mankind, to further separate them from experiencing the loving presence of God, for He cannot look upon sin (Habakkuk 1:13a).  We have a whole society that is blinded to the will of God, and the Word indeed appears to them as foolishness (1 Corinthians 1:18), just as Lot's warnings appeared as foolishness to his sons-in-law when he was surrounded by a society of homosexuals who wanted to rape some visiting angels who were sent to judge Sodom and Gomorrah and to take Lot and his wife and daughters out of there (Genesis 19:1-29).  This is a prototype of the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18), and history is about to repeat itself. 

Knowing Jesus Christ personally as Lord and Saviour, knowing His love firsthand by the indwelling power and presence of the Holy Spirit, is the kind of life that God would have everyone enjoy---and joy is the right word!  There is no greater pleasure than to be in right relationship with God, to know that your sins are forgiven and blotted out, and that there is no commandment that He gives to His children that He does not also give the power to fulfill by the Holy Spirit---to His praise and glory, because, as you shared earlier, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.  I write this for anyone who happens to be reading, especially those who do not know God personally---because they can, and it doesn't take twelve steps or any magic formula---just one step:  in humility and with an open heart to receive His glorious gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.  God will do the rest!     

What's sad about the western world is that there used to be, over the past several hundred years, a general knowledge of God, the Bible, its tenets, many of its stories, and the people described therein.  Bible-reading and prayer were a normal part of public school life until the early 1960s when they were taken out.  The impact of this event upon the West has been enormous, and not good.  Several generations have arisen who don't even know the first thing about the Lord and, yes, as you said, it is very offensive and shocking to some to hear the Lord's commandments.  "Who does He think He is---God?"  Well, YES!  That's just it:  He is the Creator; we are not self-made.  To know Him as Creator AND Redeemer, that's where all of the wonderful benefits come in, where the promises in the Bible become very real.  I've heard it said that we are the only Bible that many people in this generation will read.  Even the Scriptures say (of Christians), "We are living epistles, read of all men."  I like Ray Comfort's approach to evangelism.  He gets people "lost" before they get "saved"---that is, he shares the Law with them first, like the Ten Commandments, allowing conviction to arise in the hearers' hearts that they have broken God's laws and that they certainly won't be excused in a heavenly court, just as an earthly judge wouldn't let a gross offender slide either.  He makes sure they know he's in the same boat...however, the grace of God available through Jesus Christ, taking our sins upon Himself upon the cross, dying in our place, and rising again, triumphing over sin, death, and the devil---and offering salvation as a free gift to all who would call upon Him in sincerity---now THAT'S an amazing gift, and put in the right context, a real eye-opener to many.  Comfort has had decades of very good results with his soul-winning, and I'm glad.  Is his approach the only way?  No, but it's a very good framework to start with.  

Blessings in Christ,

Alec 

Very true and well cited, Alec. ;) The Lord has blessed you with good wisdom!




Calvary Comics said:

What's sad about the western world is that there used to be, over the past several hundred years, a general knowledge of God, the Bible, its tenets, many of its stories, and the people described therein.  Bible-reading and prayer were a normal part of public school life until the early 1960s when they were taken out.  The impact of this event upon the West has been enormous, and not good.  Several generations have arisen who don't even know the first thing about the Lord and, yes, as you said, it is very offensive and shocking to some to hear the Lord's commandments.  "Who does He think He is---God?"  Well, YES!  That's just it:  He is the Creator; we are not self-made.  To know Him as Creator AND Redeemer, that's where all of the wonderful benefits come in, where the promises in the Bible become very real.  I've heard it said that we are the only Bible that many people in this generation will read.  Even the Scriptures say (of Christians), "We are living epistles, read of all men."  I like Ray Comfort's approach to evangelism.  He gets people "lost" before they get "saved"---that is, he shares the Law with them first, like the Ten Commandments, allowing conviction to arise in the hearers' hearts that they have broken God's laws and that they certainly won't be excused in a heavenly court, just as an earthly judge wouldn't let a gross offender slide either.  He makes sure they know he's in the same boat...however, the grace of God available through Jesus Christ, taking our sins upon Himself upon the cross, dying in our place, and rising again, triumphing over sin, death, and the devil---and offering salvation as a free gift to all who would call upon Him in sincerity---now THAT'S an amazing gift, and put in the right context, a real eye-opener to many.  Comfort has had decades of very good results with his soul-winning, and I'm glad.  Is his approach the only way?  No, but it's a very good framework to start with.  

Blessings in Christ,

Alec 

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